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Jinxandmatildas_mom
Peteylover, OMG, i have to say, i just suffered the EXACT same experience with my CRF cat, she died needlessly Monday, i took her to my vet who believe it or not was a specialist in internal medicine, or so her md said, My matilda started with crf in Jan 2013 and held steady until my other kitty her best friend Jinx passed away Aug 4 from cancer, the NEXT DAY she went downhill, all the same things, iv fluids, etc, my vet kept saying she was dehydrated give her more fluids, im like she is already on 100cc a day, they told me to increase to 150cc, so i did what they told me, they knew best right, they were the experts, then i read a crf website where they told me too much fluid can attack a cats heart, she did seem to have some labored breathing, i had her there every weekend this month looking for answers, they just kept telling me more fluids was the answer, this was dehydration, then after we started the 150 cc , 4 days later i took her back, she was so ill she couldnt stand, they told me she now had a heart arrythmia! I was like, how the hell did that happen, i was told and i quote well these things happen to kitties with this disease, you should put her to sleep today, WHAT ! not to mention as i read up on crf i found out by looking at her labs ON MY OWN, that she was anemic, ataxic, and her phosphorus was off the charts, all of these treatable at an early stage, NONE of this was mentioned or treated, i just kept taking her back spending thousands keeping her on iv fluids for 3 and 4 days a month, now they just want me to put her to sleep! I pulled her out of there and took her to the best hospital in the area which is an hour from my home, but i had nothing to lose, THEY told me she had fluid in her lungs and around her heart and would not have survived another sub q fluid treatment and wouldve died at home in a day or two! That the heart treatment would have catastrophic consequences for her kidneys and vice versa and that there was nothing to be done, so i let my baby go, now that i knew it was really to late, but a month ago damnit it was not too late ! if i had only known what i know now she would still be here, i trusted these people, and yesterday when i stopped by that vet to try to get some closure by dropping off supplies, syringes, etc, no one would even look at me! Every other time it was hi hows Matilda blah blah, now you cant look at me? i said i want to speak to the dr, she was there, they told me so,SHE WOULDNT EVEN COME OUT, they already knew because the other hospital sent them the info, i know this because the dr sent out a vet tech to take the supplies from me, and she could barely spit out the im sorry because that required looking at me, you treated my baby, she died, and YOU CANT SPEAK TO ME!? They know what they did, and im hoping the other hospital called them and reamed them a new one, it seems that way as thats kind of the reaction I got, slightly hostile, how disrespectful, of course now you already have my thousands of dollars and theres no more to be spent so you dont want to speak with me, disgusting
Kathy
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PeteyLover
Oh kathy, I was in tears reading your post. It just rips your heart in half knowing that there may have been a chance your baby could have been around longer, and because of idiot vets that you trust, the poor things are gone to soon.  I've never gotten over it and still dont have a good vet I trust. I'm hopefully leaving the damn state I live in  (CT) and hopefully will be able one day to find a GOOD vet. They are very hard to find. I was at what was supposed to be the best and still they screw you. I'm sorry you had to go thru this too.
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Jinxandmatildas_mom
5 days later, I am still so angry, which is making my grief that much worse, what if an X-Ray had been done weeks ago to see the fluids building in her lungs and chest,what if anemia meds had been given to give her the strength she needed to fight,these what ifs are killing me, I did everything I knew to do at the time from a specialist, who was WRONG, she HATED sub q fluids, no wonder, they were killing her, and I didn't know, ugh how does anyone forgive themselves
Kathy
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PeteyLover
You forgive yourself by telling yourself, ITS NOT YOUR FAULT!! I'm in the same boat and was. We were giving my Petey sub q fluids for years, maintaining the renal part of it. For years he had an enlarged heart but no fluid. NONE. A cardiologist who was a slug, wanted to put him on all these heart meds, but when talking to our only GOOD vet I've ever had in Virginia, and reading up on the drugs on the internet, if he didn't have fluid building the drugs would have hurt him. So why take them when his heart seemed okay. But we all knew he had issues with his heart and it was a balancing act at best. So we finally started him on some other drugs for his heart as it was getting larger, we kept him on fluids as instructed. Then he started getting worse. The cough was bad and he started going downhill. When we called, they said drop off the meds. Had just one of those GD vets thought to tell us, "sounds like fluid is building up" or "lets check to see if fluid was building" or " stop the fluids" we'd have done it asap. BUT NO. So we pretty much literally drowned my little guy to death. I blame myself too for not figuring it out, but damn, that's what you pay the doctors big bucks for, you know? I'm in tears just thinking of it again. The 'WHAT IFS' kill me to and more than that, make me furious with the scum bag vets. I know my boy wasn't curable, but he didn't have to suffer the way he did and had we had a decent vet, he would have been around for a while longer. I cant ever get over that. I know just how you feel. I'm not sure how to get past it as I haven't figured it out yet and its been over a year.
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Dayle
Reeladyd wrote:
I usually dont like to rant but need opinion here on this one. I will probably write my vet a letter but not exactly sure what to say.  Maybe he reads posts here and i won't have to. I feel the need to let him know what I feel.  I'll try and not make it too long.
    Back in Feb. 13' I notice a slight change in my dogs behavior, couldnt put my finger on it, but just acting kind of blah.   It continued.  Early in April, we noticed a bony bump (asymetrical)on his head. Also he seemed to be a little more blah, losing some interest in playing/chewing toys etc. My vet office had been recommending teeth cleaning for a while so I called made an appointment for the Pre-procedure bloodwork and asked for a full exam as well because I found this lump on his head and I was concerned.  At the time I had a few other things going on in my life so I was a little preoccupied.
     I brought him in, had the exam etc, bloodwork, and a chest xray due to a heart murmur dr. had detected. As far as the lump he said,"no red flags are going up, lets just keep an eye on it".  - I trusted he was truly not alarmed and went ahead with the dental procedure (with 11 extractions including the pre-work up about $2,300.00) The day my husband dropped him off for the procedure, he asked the vet to xray his head, that we needed to know what was going on with this lump.  Dr. said he would.   Later in the day he called me and said after the dental work was done including dental xrays, he later xrayed his head and that he was sorry to tell me but its bad, real bad.  A Malignant tumor.  
      After the gums healed, about 10 days or so we made an appointment with a specialist who confirmed the tumor and told us there was really nothing other than radiation, which may reduce pain and prolong life for abo9ut a month. And yes, he was in pain.
     Three days later we said good bye to our beloved little boy.   I looked up on google, bony lump dog skull/head ---basically all that comes up is cancer cancer cancer
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Dalidog
So sorry for your loss.  I don't trust vets either.  I took my baby, my soulmate, to the vet and he said she would be fine.  He didn't seem worried at all and gave her a shot, a 10 day prescription, and sent me home.  Twenty four hours later she DIED.  I am still heartbroken, has only been 3 weeks.  If there were something wrong with my baby, I trusted the vet to find it and help.  I will never trust a vet again.  No matter what, can't bring my baby back.

You are very right to be angry.  There was no sense in putting your baby through all that pain of the dental work without investigating the lump.  BAD vet in my opinion.  But that doesn't change your loss....  so sorry, I feel the pain.

Dali, as much a daughter as any human...  pure love
Until we meet again

http://rainbowsbridge.com/residents/DALI003/Resident.htm

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Dayle
Dear Reeladyd, I'm so sorry for your loss and totally understand. I think nowadays most vets are looking more at running expensive test for what our babies don't have..and glazing over the obvious to make more money. Right now I'm feeling a lot like you do. I just lost my 13 yr okd Siamese Cat Isabelle, to stage 4 renal failure. Why..because I had almost a thousand dollars worth of test..bloodwork...urine..ultra sounds..exrays etc that all said she looks great for that age. They saw only alittle arthris. Three months later my baby wouldnt eat and they told me probably from Her gingivitis. She may need her teeth cleaned and wanted to refer me to a kitty dentist. I believe it because the testing was all normal..and the vet didn't seem alarmed. She still wasn't eatimg on wed, so I called and made an appt For the next am just to have her take a look, before the dental appt. She took one look at the cat...ran a bunch more test...another $500. And I had to have her admitted to an emergency vetnarian hospital. Barely hanging on to life at this point...it cost another almost $3800. And I didn't care...I just wanted to save my cat. My sweat angel died the next morning. I don't think cleaning her teath would have done anything for a cat with kidney failue levels through the roof. And I'm so mad that I believed my cat wasn't eatimg due to needing her teeth cleaned. And I feel so at a loss that all the visits and all the test...no one ever mentioned kidney disease. So, pls file a complaint because you losed your baby by someone money hungry greed. And your heart is broken and it's surely not your fault. I'm so sorry that your going though this.
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Lavendar
this is a good topic, so I am bumping it to the top.  Vets do wield more power over us than we like to think, adding to our grief. I was very adamant about not letting any of my pets suffer.  But there I was 3 years into her painful illness still trying to 'figure it out', because the specialist ddn't think 'we were there yet'. BULLSHIIT! 
It's been almost 2 years, since I finally said enough, and still so angry at them and myself for letting it go on for so long.  they got $1,000's out of me.
When her brother exhibited the same intermittent painful symptoms, I just called and made the appt. The vet was reluctant saying 'he seemed comfortable'.  I basically had to convince her, even though she agreed he was on the decline.  I don't understand the concept of an acceptable amount of suffering, he is in pain, end it. Believe me it's the last thing I wanted to do. Life as I knew it died with him. But at 17 1/2 there was no way I was putting him through anymore and it was clear professional help was not available. 
ty for reading I feel a little better

here are some tips from BSmith1199

Here are some tips for any cat owner, which I am going to follow from this point on.
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1)  Never feed your cat hard food.  It does not help with their teeth.  It actually promotes dental disease due to the carbohydrates in the food!  It also deprives your cat of the moisture they depend on as cats do not drink a lot of water.  They get the bulk of their water from their food!

2)  Never feed your cat food manufactured in China!  Regardless of what is on the outside of the can, you never know what you are going to get inside the can due to the very sloppy quality control in the factories.  We used to feed Dax IAMS, until one can caused her to projectile vomit.  Had a sample tested at a local lab where a friend worked.  The can contained a significant amount of pesticides.

3)  Never feed you cat food which does not have a phosphor level listed in the contents, or one that only shows a "minimum" level.  Phosphor destroys the kidneys of the cat.

4)  Do not feed your cat food which contains any vegetables in it (soy, rice...).  All rice contains some level of arsenic in it.  Soy is used in China manufactured foods to supplement the meat and it may not be listed on the can.  You can give your cat slippery elm to settle an upset stomach or to help with constipation.  It is actually good for them.  Use the capsule based slippery elm, not the bulk based, as the capsule based is prescription grade and the bulk is not.  It is just more consistent and the cat will like it more.


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Dalidog
Thanks for posting this...very good tips.  We know what is best for our furbabies and do whatever we feel is in their best interests.  I have never had a very good experience with vets and never liked taking my babies to them.  Wasn't so much the cost as the trust in them.  My baby died a day after vet said she would be fine, then sent me a bill.  So sad...I miss her so.  It is very hard to accept that they get old and their bodies fail, we can only do what we feel best for them during their lives and and beyond.  Again, thank you so much..VERY good topic

Dali, as much a daughter as any human...  pure love
Until we meet again

http://rainbowsbridge.com/residents/DALI003/Resident.htm

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